tv Studio B With Shepard Smith FOX News July 28, 2009 3:00pm-4:00pm EDT
be illegal everywhere. the beer summit -- president obama expected to meet with the professor and police officer after the case spurred talk of race around the nation. how this compares to other famous white house meetings with a historian who is notable and fascinating. that is live ahead on "studio b ." homegrown terrorism. they have warned us about it and now it is here. the fed's break up a suspected terrorist group right here in the united states. seven guys are already in jail. word of an eighth suspect around somewhere. we have pictures of four of the men. they're accused of plotting attacks overseas from north carolina. investigators say that the limb -- the ring leader is 39-year- old daniel boyd, a drywall contractor.
his two sons were also involved in this plot. they tell us that daniel boyd's history of extremism goes back two decades. they say that the group practiced military tactics nearby. marianne silber is following us from our southeast bureau. what do we know about that missing suspect? >> hello. the person's name was rejected from that 14-page indictment that was released yesterday. the federal prosecutor is not saying much other than he confirmed that he or she cried -- travel to pakistan in order to participate in violent jihad shepard: are the fed's saying what a the group was really planning to do, if anything in particular? >> they have not talked about any specific targets, but i did talk to a terrorism expert who said that in cases like this,
the feds have been doing a lot of work for months, gathering all the information they can. once they get the indictments, the one to make sure that they stick. shepard: now to kansas. the man of -- accused of gunning down a well-known abortion provider is in court today. prosecutors say that it led to a first-degree murder conviction. police say that whoever killed him walk into his church where the doctor was working as an usher. there is the suspect. the first person to testify today fingered him as that -- as the killer. you can see who he is talking about here. >> if you saw him again, would you recognize him? >> yes. >> is he here in the courtroom today? >> yes. >> where is he sitting? >> at the table behind you. shepard: the witness went on to give a detailed description.
jonathan hunt has new details on all of this. that witness was right next to dr. tiller. >> the witness was standing with the doctor. there were at a table in the sanctuary of the church. he told the court today that he had just picked up a doughnut, taken a bite -- he noticed somebody opened the door and come into the sanctuary. here is what happened next, according to him. >> the gentleman had walked over and put a gun right up to george's head and shot him. i was not for sure because it was not allowed. it was a loud pop. i was not sure if it was a cap gun or not.
>> he says that he then followed the shooter, who he identified in court as scott rhoder. he said, i have a gun, i will shoot you. at that point, he let him go. shepard: it sounds as if he was pretty easy going through all of this and he did it with great ease. what has the demeanor been inside the courtroom? >> varery calm, reflecting the demeanor that witnesses said that he had. he took a few notes here and there. he was clearly listening intently, but no great show of emotion, just as there was no great show of a motion according to witnesses on the day that he shot dr. george tiller. he has not entered a plea yet. they have this preliminary hearing where the prosecution has to lay out the evidence that it believes proves its case.
the judge will decide if there is a case at a full trial, if and when he decides that, there will be a brief arraignment hearing. at that point, he would have to enter a plea. we expect that to happen later this afternoon. shepard: jonathan, thank you. now to an issue that literally affects everybody in the nation, health care. details can get very dry, but it is very important. president obama has been pushing lawmakers for weeks to push a health care reform bill. the plan the president supports is quite controversial and very expensive, possibly more than $1 trillion. there is no real plan just yet. the plan has not been hammered out. what we would get in return is universal health coverage for everybody. today, the president continues to make the case for the senior citizens' interest group aarp.
>> i am absolutely positive that we can make the health care system work better for you, your children, your parents, your families, your businesses, and america. shepard: the president does not have the power to write up health care legislation. that is the job of the congress. that is exactly where the logjam is. in the house, a number of fiscally conservative democrats have said that they will not support the bill as is. they say that they have a major problem with a hefty price tag, $1 trillion. democrats to support the health care bill have been trying to woo the blue dog democrats. so far, there is no deal. james rosen is following all of this. are they biting? >> not yet. the blue dog democrats were in a closed-door session today where
they got a briefing from an emissary of representative henry waxman. he is the very liberal democrat from california, chair of the energy and commerce committee. at the end of the briefing, we heard from the blue dog democrats that they still did not have an agreement. they want to see more measurements taken by the congressional budget office, which scores these programs for their cost efficiency. it has not been kind to liberals on this issue. what have gotten is kind of a hybrid of their own proposals. they are still waiting it out to see if they should make a counterproposal or accept what they call this what -- is watered down version shepard: it is not as if democrats on the senate side are any closer. there is separation everywhere. >> the top senate democrat, harry reid, just said that he thought that they can get a final bill out of committee and marked up by the end of this week. most other senators say that is not likely.
senator john kerry says that he has 80% backing for some of the ideas he wants to put forward, including a tax on the so- called private health insurance -- cadillac private health- insurance plans. here is how he described the process of making the sausage, also known as the law. >> people pushed back a little bit. what is important for people to understand is, there is probably a consensus on almost 80% of this. >> there was a bit of interesting conflict today between senator john kerry and his colleague senator rockefeller of new york. he expressed his support for a non-profit co-op plan. senator rockefeller said only one sentence. he said, "i have looked into the
history of these co-ops and it is not a nice history." shepard: keep us updated. there is news breaking right now in and around las vegas. the feds are raiding a the home of michael jackson's personal doctor. the search comes after the man pictured here on the left, dr. conrad maurray gave michael jackson powerful sedatives before he died. just how much does punching those keys on your cell phone raise the risk of a crash? it is an astounding number. driving while texting, is it worse than driving drunk? has progress taken us to a better place?
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vegas home of dr. conrad murray. we have not been told exactly what exactly police are looking for. according to an anonymous law- enforcement agent, dr. murray told investigators that he gave michael jackson and the powerful sedative the day he died. that has not been independently confirmed. he died last month from a suspected overdose of prescription medication. as of today, the exact cause of death has not been determined. jonathan hunt is back with us from the newsroom on this. >> and the lawyer representing dr. conrad murray -- we interviewed him in the past couple of days. now there has been a raid on his home. basically, the lawyer is denying that the doctor had anything to do with bringing about michael
jackson's death. on the question of whether he did indeed give him propofol the day he died, he said that we will not comment on rumor and innuendo. they're denying that he has anything to do with this. he simply would not comment on anything that they regard as mere rumor. shepard: we're working on this investigation that is happening in las vegas. we will bring breaking developments to our viewers as they come. now for the story about texting and driving. the headline is very clear. truckers who texted were 23 times more likely to get into a crash. drivers take their eyes off of the road for longer times compared to talking on a cell phone. right before a crash, drivers spent just five seconds looking
at their phones. if you are going 50 miles an hour, that is more than enough time to cover the length of a football field. it recommends that states ban texting while driving. right now, it is legal in 14 states. with us is the manager of media relations in new york city. >> when you have cameras in these videos and they are following truckers for more than 3 million miles and you get these very disturbing findings. when you consider the fact that trucks weigh up to 100,000 pounds and their eyes are off the road for five seconds, that is four hundred 40 feet that they are traveling with their eyes are not on the road. because trucks stop more poorly than a car and do not have the handling characteristics, it tends to be much worse. shepard: every single bit of that makes perfect sense.
that said, there will be those out there who will legitimately make the claim, i have one of these devices and one of these devices. do you know the difference between these devices? this is like feeling a piece of glass. on this one, i can go pretty fast without taking my eyes off the road. i am not saying that you should not have rules and regulations, but i guarantee you i have 140 characters without taking my eye off the road. when do we need legislation about big macs? >> is really what is at the crux of that -- of this situation is a lack of good driver education. we are the poorest in the world and training new drivers. there is only perhaps in some states 20 hours to 50 hours of driving training required. in other countries, it is
upwards to 3000 hours of training. if you consider your multi taxing behind the wheel -- shepard: can you still go 1 under 10 miles per hour on the audubon? -- can you still go 110 miles per hour on the audubon? >> you can. shepard: i do not, for the record. what i am curious about is whether you think a broad texting while driving law is necessary. right now, people need revenue. if they put in these rules, they will be -- how they going to know if i am texting? they are not going to know. i guarantee you. they will not know. >> do not get upset. shepard: i am not getting upset. i think more education is the answer.
i'm not saying the regulation is wrong. when do we go big macs, little children, and cigarettes? >> usually, you went -- you go for the three e's, education engine. -- education, engineering, and enforcement. again -- shepard: violette this falls off. it is not big lettuce. it is little pieces of lettuce. that baby in the backseat, babies need to be banned from the cars because they need attention no matter how fast they are going. where do the rules stop? >> i think we have such a cavalier attitude toward driving. it all starts with education. driving is a multitasking task
already. you are operating a heavy object at high speed. you have roadside, weather conditions, other cars, road conditions, all sorts of things to deal with. it is very important that we realize that this is a very dangerous task. an insurance company says that you are more likely to be injured while operating a motor vehicle than any other task he will be engaged in in your daily existence. the most dangerous part of an airplane trip is the automobile drive to the airport. it is far worse than flying the plane. shepard: good to you. thank you again, as always. the first round of confirmation votes are in on the supreme court nominee justice sandra -- supreme court nominee justice sonia sotomayor.
swimming championships in rome. he faced criticism after a photo surface of him apparently smoking marijuana. she is now one step closer to be confirmed as the next supreme court justice in the united states. the senate judiciary committee voted to approve justice sought my your -- judge sotomayor to take a seat on the supreme court. when asked whether he would vote to confirm our, 53% said yes. only 29% said no. that is up from a month and a half ago where 46% said yes. shannon bream has details on this. >> senator lindsey graham voted with the democrats on this one. he talked about the reservations
he has about sonia sotomayor. >> the speeches did bugs the hell out of may, not because i disagree with what she was saying, but she embraced some concepts that were really unnerving. >> looking and her entire record, he says that he felt she was within the main street. shepard: it always felt like senator graham was going to be the leading republican to cross over and give cover to everyone else who wanted to. >> we're hearing from four other republican senators who say that they will vote for her. senator susan collins, senator olympia snowe, senator richard lugar. we know it least five republicans will be voting for her. shepard: shannon bream, it is
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some money, but only one out of seven will actually get it. earlier today, vice president joe biden said that they picked the agencies based on need. he explained what the administration is focusing on this. >> one of the places that has been hardest hit, the most essential for the well-being of our citizens has been law enforcement. we know the braver you display simply -- we cannot achieve the goal of a stronger community without stronger police forces. shepard: four major cities will get nothing and have to like it. seattle, pittsburgh, new york, and houston. new york city. isn't this terrorism money? michael bloomberg says that his police department is being punished because it has driven crime down with your resources.
how much did new york won? >> $650 million, they requested over three years to hire 2000 police officers the commissioner's office said that they were hoping for 10% of that, but they got nothing. rochester new york got some cash. philadelphia, which had seven homicides over the weekend, is getting enough money to hire 50 police officers over the next three years. they tried to get money to the cities that had the highest crime rate and the shady as economy -- the shakiest economy. shepard: if you were doing very poorly with your local police department, you got money. >> i do not know about chicago. i will work on that. delaware got $5 million. shepard: is anybody complaining? >> the nypd is very unhappy.
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happened before? you may be surprised when a presidential historian joins us coming up. continuing coverage of the top story of the day. the feds say that the busted a terrorist group. almost all the suspects are americans. their alleged home base right here in the united states. one of them is still missing. take a look at the accused ringleader. the fed say that he, his sons, and five other people were attacking a tax -- were plotting attacks on the u.s. overseas. brian is with us. >> good to see you. shepard: they were plotting something. we know not what. i am sometimes suspect when they will only tell us that these are bad people, but will not tell us what they were going to do. how're you processing this? >> we do not know much from the materials that are out there.
if you're asking me to explain what these guys are up to, i do not know what in the world they were thinking. it sounds like the details are very suspicious here and the ring leader had been actually convicted of a crime in pakistan in 1991, bank robbery. i'm just thankful that we have law enforcement officials and intelligence agencies that are on top of incidents like this. i do not know how to explain it on the details that you can unveil at a public forum like this. shepard: thank god we're on top of this. you mentioned the ring leader. he is accused of organizing the group here in the united states, getting his kid into the mix with international terrorist aspirations. he faces life in prison if convicted. do we have a sense from intelligence across the nation about how much of this sort of thing is happening right here under our noses? >> if you look in the open
press, there have been several instances -- i mentioned the one in brooklyn. there was a young man indicted for doing some intelligence work for al qaeda on the ri railroad. we have had a series of incidents in upstate new york. there have been these terrorist cells who have been radicalized in a certain sense. this is a big problem. it is a problem that is largely a law enforcement in good intelligence issue. i do not want to over-emphasize the magnitude of the problem. if these guys succeeded in what we understand they were trying to do, it could have presented some serious problems for u.s. interests overseas. shepard: i am wondering if there is an extra penalty for bringing your kids into this. granted, they are adults. >> it is baffling to me. shepard: sir, it is great to see
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no one was hurt in a collapse. updates as we get them. it has been called the cause of an solution to all of life's problems. beer. will a couple of drinks be enough to smooth over the allegations of racism in massachusetts? the president seems to think so. we will talk about that and really, the history of such things with a noted presidential historian. that is next. announcer: welcome to the now network. currently, thousands of people
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shepard: it turns into in national incident after allegations of racism following an arrest. president obama is trying to smooth it all over over a couple of beers. police arrested this man, henry louis gates after it was thought that he was trying to break into a house. he was apparently locked out of his own -- his own home. the charges were later dropped. there were disorderly conduct charges. president obama said that police had acted stupidly. as a gesture of goodwill, the president has invited professor gates as well as the arresting officer for a couple of beers at the white house. joining us is a professor of history at bryce university.
he is the author of a brand new book that you should check out. there were some reminded of booker t. washington by distorted tell us the story. >> in 1901, teddy roosevelt decide to have an african- american come to the white house. the next day, the blow back in the media from southern newspapers -- they said that roosevelt was going to create a race riot in the country. roosevelt continued to correspond and see booker t. washington. the south kept going after roosevelt. eventually, he decided to go into the belly of the beast in head to mississippi on a bear hunt to confront the people that were accusing him of harboring
an african american in the white house. shepard: the idea behind the bear hunt was to say, lynchings should stop? >> it was almost an epidemic of lynchings of blacks. roosevelt decided to make a very anti-lynching message in mississippi while bear hunting. before we had cable news, cartoonists use to follow presidents around. a cartoonist drew a cartoon which showed roosevelt with his hand stuck out saying no. that is what happened. a man caught a bear in roosevelt refused to shoot it. it became a conservationist message and the teddy bear was born out of that cartoon. the next message was, stop the lynchings in the south.
it has been called the most important political cartoon of the 20th-century. shepard: did in the mississippi is already have a beer on a leash? >> roosevelt had a black bear hunter with him. he trapped that there, but roosevelt said i will not shoot a beer that is trapped. he said, we will not. he walked away. here in new york in brooklyn, a woman saw that cartoon and read the story in the paper and made a stuffed toy in her window. that went to 1 million by the time roosevelt left the white house. other presidents tried to follow it up.
roosevelt continued to champion booker t. washington. he went to the tuskegee institute in alabama to visit him. shepard: bring us forward a century. does this have a place? does this have worth? >> it is a big moment here because some say that it is a crisis for the administration. i think this beer summit is smart. it gives it a lighter cast. you have the police and a harvard professor who does not think he did anything wrong. he is a legend in my field. he is considered the person who knows most about slavery and the african-american experience. he has a kind of booker t. washington side to him. i think that is why president obama wanted to back him right away. hopefully, this summit will bring it off of the newspapers. shepard: if you wonder if some
of this was not more really about class and class structure that about race. i was not there. there is this professorial stand that he is taken -- something like that is not new at harvard -- against the police department. they are not the rich and powerful. >> i think male ego might have played a part in it. i think everyone has experienced one of those events. it is unusual that it has blown up this way. shepard: i bet that the white house has taken lessons from this. >> i think president obama rightfully backed away from the comment. shepard: it would probably be red stripe for me. we're putting the book on the screen right now. could we have a picture of the book?
i just assumed that you had it. "wilderness warriors." tell us about it. you have four seconds. >> it talks about how he created wildlife protection, saved the buffalo, we talk about species survival and he was the progenitor of that. shepard: good stuff. thank you. the coast guard sending boats and planes and helicopters into the caribbean after a boat said to be carrying 200 people flipped over. still dozens are missing. brand new video coming into us. we will have an update live from our south florida newsroom. having my identity stolen has taken more than money from me.
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which was powered by saleils let late last week heading north of haiti. it stopped at an unknown spot. he picked up 40 more people. it got within two and a half miles of this island. the pilot sees what he believes is a police boat. that breaks the boat apart. shepard: is this another case of human smuggling? is there any way to know? >> it is too soon to say. that is right on the agenda for authorities investigating. typically, these human smuggling operations, they usually do smaller numbers than this. whether this was human smuggling operations on a very
grand scale or whether this was a lot of people so desperate that they got together and got themselves this boat and tried to make it to the island, we do not know shepard: do we know why it was that island? >> it is very close to haiti. the traditional route for the migration follows here. eventually, you make it to florida, if you are lucky. there was a boat of about 20 people capsize. seventeen people were rescued off of short. they are very desperate. shepard: thank you very much. in a few months, you may have to get both a regular flu shot and in a region in age 1 and 1 flu shot. we will get a live report of what will make it very difficult in the flugg
shepard: hey, just in now from our sports desk. the golfer phil mickelson is returning to the pga tour. he took some time off to help his wife who is battling breast cancer. he was at the u.s. open back in june and tied for second and had surgery two weeks later. he also learned his mother has breast cancer. organizers at the invitational say phil mickelson is expected to play next week in lomaia. phil mickelson, welcome back to the pga. ç-- next week there. we are tracking h1n1. doctors are mourning the flu season this fall will be very different from in the past --ç doctors are warning.
jessica had a baby shower today. did you get good stuff? >> i did. shepard: you are all dressed up. i make it cold in here. it is like 12 degrees in here. jessica normally wears a sweat shirt. they will not take your picture. maybe you have to call for it. >> i see it. shepard: what do you call it? >> i do not know what it is. shepard: there she is. i need to read this. can you play the animation again? i love this. >> i have got to reboot it. shepard: they have to rebot it. -- reboot it. 57 people tracking h1n1. it is likely people will need to get the regular flu shot as well as the h1n1. we used to call it swine flu,
but we do not call it that anymore because it was hurting theç swine industry. emery university in georgia, there are trials. jonathan serrie is there. çwhy do they involved? >> they are looking for volunteers, starting out with healthy adults, including seniors. in fact, they want half of them to be over the age of 65. then, if all goes well, as they expect it will, they will involve children in the study. they are trying to look at not only the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine but also the proper dosage. they say it is entirely possible that we may need not just one but two shots for h1n1 in the fall. shepard: if they do come up with a vaccine, who will need to get it? >> an advisory committee is meeting tomorrow to come up with recommendations on just that subject.
it is thought that health-care workers who will be one of the recipients of the vaccine. another likely category includes pregnant women. when this was discovered in the spring, since then, approximately 6% of all of the fatal cases involved pregnant women, and when you consider that all the make up a small percentage of the population, as you can see how times they are. shepard: jonathan serrie,ç live at emory university, thank you. a woman telling a judge she actually drove drunk because of h1n1. çthe judge did not buy that. she lost her license for six months. had she been text messagesing, they would have lined up and shot her. neil cavuto is coming up with prospective and context on the day on wall street.